tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post7830315839672473639..comments2023-03-23T05:03:17.273-07:00Comments on West TSA Neighborhood Comments: Mountain Biking: Supportive CommentsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger139125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-85203548707907404722010-11-04T20:17:44.608-07:002010-11-04T20:17:44.608-07:00I ride nearly every single day during the summer a...I ride nearly every single day during the summer and yet I find myself driving to a place to ride every single day as well. Why? Because I can't access the trails I would like to ride (Betasso and Doudy Draw) from my home in south Boulder. This posses a consequence of driving my car and emitting massive amounts of CO2 which I feel terrible about since I like to be green as possible, not to mention I work for a solar company here in Boulder. I would love to see new trails created west of Broadway that alleviate this dilemma. A trail between chataqua and eldorado would give residents in my area a place to ride close to home and lessen automobile traffic of bikers trying to drive to these areas.<br /><br />Kyle Cragin<br />1501 Bradley Dr<br />South NeighborhoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-29958894276184387212010-09-13T15:03:38.571-07:002010-09-13T15:03:38.571-07:00Over the course of the discussion or argument from...Over the course of the discussion or argument from the opposition, I hope the miles of trail that are currently open to bikes that resemble more of a dirt road or a paved path are not cited as legitimate mountain biking trails. While these trails serve a great purpose, it is really not an "apples to apples" argument if they are used as a statistic in citing how many miles of trail currently open to mountain biking.<br /><br />Mark Winchester<br />3133 5th St.<br />Boulder, CO <br />North BoulderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-66699232561759186292010-09-13T15:01:15.701-07:002010-09-13T15:01:15.701-07:00I am excited the community is coming together in s...I am excited the community is coming together in support of this in such an organized fashion. I fully support more mountain biking trails in Boulder. I especially like the idea of a connector route West of Broadway that is easier to access from town. I look forward to helping make this a reality. <br /><br />Mark Winchester<br />3133 5th St.<br />Boulder, CO <br />North BoulderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-26346242291327485322010-09-13T07:48:50.837-07:002010-09-13T07:48:50.837-07:00I am not a mountain biker but I enjoy the OSMP tra...I am not a mountain biker but I enjoy the OSMP trails for trail running specifically ultrarunning where can spend all day running trails. I feel that the mountain bike community is not given the same opportunities that trail runners have and I don't think that is fair. Most of the mountain bike routes are comparatively short routes that do not connect and when I run I can run forever on linked trails. The trails that are shared by mountain bikers are some of my favorite trails to run on. They are fun, runnable and the mountain bikers that I have encountered have ALWAYS respected right of way and been very polite. I have more trouble with hikers straddling 3 wide on the Mesa Trail than I do on the mountain bike trails which is why I prefer them for more peace and quiet. I think what OSMP has done with Picture Rock (which I did some trail work on) and the Dowdy and Marshall Mesa trails is wonderful and fun! I would expect that these new proposed trails would only enhance my experience running on trails as they have in those areas and I fully support the new trails. <br />Kristen Alvarez<br />3765 Smuggler Place<br />Boulder, CO 80305<br />South BoulderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-71728980899428406172010-09-11T07:25:43.937-07:002010-09-11T07:25:43.937-07:00Dave Kuhny
7338 Mount Sherman Rd.
Longmont (Gunbar...Dave Kuhny<br />7338 Mount Sherman Rd.<br />Longmont (Gunbarrel)<br />East Boulder<br /><br />Boulder has a great tradition of integrating bicycles as transportation and recreation into our communinty. However, we have serveral holes in our trail networks (like Western access being discussed here) that force bikers to either get in their cars, or ride on busy roads. I strongly support additional connector trails in the West TSA (and yes I would use them from Gunbarrel). This not only gives bikers a safer option, but we can cut down on vehicle use and trailhead congestion. Connections from town to our most popular mountain bike destinations will be a trail system other communities envy and enhance quality of life for many Boulder residents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-38717951992121547302010-09-10T12:50:01.793-07:002010-09-10T12:50:01.793-07:00What we need is not an exlusive but inclusive trai...What we need is not an exlusive but inclusive trail use policy. All users groups should be able to enjoy these areas. I am a hiker, mt. biker, climber and runner. I understand the concerns of each user group but like to think from each user group's point of view. To me, the only winning formula is one in which we make space for everyone and each group gives respect to the other. Education of each trail user groups is part of the solution. If it's really that much of an issue create an online certification course for the user groups that explains how to act on the trails and respect other user groups as well as report abusers. As an example, the cyclists could take a course designed to address the issue of approaching hikers at high velocity, learning to call out to the hiker from a certain distance when approaching and not passing the hiker at any more than a slow speed. Fast cyclists cause fear of a collision and then resentment. Right of way to hikers would be reinforced. You want to ride on the few trails in Boulder County that are on the so called "certified trail" list....take the certification course, print out your card and carry it with you. Don't have a card while on one of the few "certified trails", you get a warning and then a fine. Put a sign at the trial head and notify the user groups. It's not that we should exclude certain user groups, it's that we should educate. In this way the respectful users are not lumped in with the abusers. And the abusers get educated. The certification are for everyone, hikers, biker, climbers. That level of involvement, if done properly, could create a population of caring users more interested in taking care of other user groups and their needs and lessen the numbers of complaints. Everyone's got a right to be out there! Let's celebrate our different user groups and enjoy the joy we feel while respecting their chosen method to enjoy our beautiful lands. SeanAmovidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02128320845886033195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-32913718049685027912010-09-08T09:38:53.006-07:002010-09-08T09:38:53.006-07:00I AM a resident/homeowner in the South Neighborhoo...I AM a resident/homeowner in the South Neighborhood (SW in fact) and moved to the area (and paid the high price & taxes for such privilege) SPECIFICALLY because the trails there do NOT have mountain bikes on them. I love the outdoors and am a multi-sport recreationalist. I am also a father of two beautiful children who's introduction/experience in this world has largely been frolicking about the trails in my back yard.<br /><br />Mountain bikers are the largest group involved in user conflicts. This is because their use doesn't always synch well with others (pace, impact, consideration, safety, etc) and the vibe is (in general) more typically a selfish, consume & move on with disregard to others attitude. I'm sorry to stereotype but it's only going to take one irresponsible mountain biker mowing down a child to blow it for everyone.<br /><br />As a mountain biker myself ... sure. It would be "neat-o" to have a link that goes to Eldo from the north. That doesn't mean it is a NEED by any means. It is a WANT. If you "have to" satiate the yearnings of a small but vocal group, build a new trail.Dan H - Shanahan Ridgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-40125864122326210652010-09-07T17:59:37.747-07:002010-09-07T17:59:37.747-07:00I'm a neighbor, albeit not by this definition....I'm a neighbor, albeit not by this definition.<br />I walk or ride to the city open spaces and do not support any additional parking to reduce any influx of users.<br />I support a north south trail providing access to between chautauqua & eldorado - the south boulder creek & bobolink trails are nice but more suitable for flat city biking.<br />I also support an east west trail into the mountains. yes, i too have been hit by a car returning from a ride in the mountains.<br />I'm not asking to bike the mesa trail like the old days, just something scenic off the road.<br />with regards to user conflicts, well designed trails can limit speeds and conflicts.<br />Hopefully dogs won't have more rights than mountain bikers.<br />Thank you<br />alexey davies<br />1851 23rd stAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-83604376573137776682010-08-31T19:42:36.139-07:002010-08-31T19:42:36.139-07:00I would like to see more Mountain Biking access on...I would like to see more Mountain Biking access on the trails in Boulder. I live in the Devil's Thumb neighborhood where there are several trail access points. My husband and I have 2 young children (1yr & 3yrs old) and we would love to be able to share our love of mountain biking with them on the trails near our house.<br /><br />For several years we lived in San Francisco (before returning to CO) and we spent much time hiking AND mountain biking on the trails in Marin County and the south bay. There seems to be a great balance between hikers dog wakers and mountain bikers on the trails in Northern California. I'm sure Boulder with it's smaller population can find a similar balance. <br /><br />Frankly, I think Mountain Bikes pose a lesser threat to children than dogs on the trails. At least 2 times this summer my 3 yr old son was approached by unleashed dogs and was scared to the point of crying. One unleashed dog actually ate a snack out of my son's hand. My son was petrified ... and the owner yelling "don't worry the dog is friendly" didn't seem to assuage his fear of an animal twice his size running towards him.<br /><br />Brenda Puccio<br />2435 Briarwood Drive<br />South NeighborhoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-41200443571038562892010-08-30T11:09:12.191-07:002010-08-30T11:09:12.191-07:00I strongly support creating mountain bike paths in...I strongly support creating mountain bike paths in the western OSMP, specifically the area between Chautauqua to Eldorado. Boulder is such a wonderful place to live for so many reasons - but the mountain biking leaves a lot to be desired. Having to drive to ride a bike is a significant drawback for several reasons.<br /><br />Matt Connery<br />213 Gaillardia (Chautauqua)<br />Boulder 80302Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-57078745273431746812010-08-27T20:59:41.007-07:002010-08-27T20:59:41.007-07:00I live on the Hill and would love a chance to ride...I live on the Hill and would love a chance to ride my mountain bike from my home. The trail access for mountain bikers in Boulder is really poor. It was definitely surprising moving to one of the best outdoor towns and finding no mountain bike trails in town. It is pretty pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-56769005956222451542010-08-27T07:56:22.355-07:002010-08-27T07:56:22.355-07:00I love mountain biking and I want to ride singletr...I love mountain biking and I want to ride singletrack to work every morning! Connecting different trail systems and different parts of town with TRAIL(good trail) needs to happen. Moutain bike rides should start when we leave our front door, offroad cyclist should have access to trail that spans the county North, South, East and West. <br /><br />Chris R<br />2820 6th Street<br />North NeighborhoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-39630669237548895782010-08-24T20:55:17.528-07:002010-08-24T20:55:17.528-07:00North Neighborhood
I support building new trails ...North Neighborhood<br /><br />I support building new trails within the West TSA that are accessible to mountain bikes. Providing a system where mountain bikers can access the north and south trail systems via trails rather than a meandering zigzag connection of roads and multi-use paths makes good sense. The fact that the center trail system is closed to mountain biking forces many people to drive north or south, especially families who wish to ride with their kids. Connecting the trail systems as Boulder County Open Space is doing minimizes driving and maximizes access for all. <br /><br />Kate Rau<br />1165 Oakdale PlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-71039526120101970082010-08-23T18:51:00.120-07:002010-08-23T18:51:00.120-07:00The dearth of mountain bike trails in Boulder is a...The dearth of mountain bike trails in Boulder is a travesty. As is said here over and over, the access to high quality biking trails in town Boulder is truly lacking, and is much needed for those of us that love the sport. Bikers and hikers get along fine in many areas. There are some conflicts, but for example there are conflicts with dog owners and non-dog owners. And it is far from what dominates interactions between those two groups on trails. And the same is true on multi-user trails around the country. <br /><br />Jake Schepps<br />5th and MaxwellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-11106754622279944062010-08-23T14:03:27.794-07:002010-08-23T14:03:27.794-07:00I would love to be able to ride with my kids from ...I would love to be able to ride with my kids from South Boulder to the South Mesa Trailhead. Ideally this would be from the NCAR road or thereabout, but certainly from somewhere on Greenbriar. Right now, it's just not safe to get there on roads. There's either a treacherous crossing of Hwy 93 or a ride along a shoulderless Eldorado Drive. <br /><br />It should be able to route a trail that crosses, but doesn't use, the N/S Shanahan Trail loop, and obviously stays off the Mesa Trail. I think that a bike route starting at Chautauqua would be a disaster, seeing how congested those trails already are.<br /><br />I also think that a new trail would take care of many concerns regarding erosion. Old trails and social trails were never designed with erosion in mind. A new trail can be. <br /><br />Alan Bol<br />3390 Everett Drive <br />(S. Neighborhood)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09576118262918840973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-68420677027956916492010-08-23T09:42:34.913-07:002010-08-23T09:42:34.913-07:00I support trails in the West Boulder OSMP that all...I support trails in the West Boulder OSMP that allow MTB. Southwest Boulder, specifically this considered trail from Chautauqua to Eldo, would be very valuable. I understand the 'conflict' between bikers and hikers and think a more specific trail for bikes, runners, etc., would be more appropriate here. The Mesa Trail system as configured now is not very conducive to bikes anyway -- there are a lot of wonderful hiking trails here.<br /><br />John Hereford<br />3rd and Evergreen<br />Boulder<br />North(west) neighborhoodJohn Herefordnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-52787686924849886292010-08-23T08:21:37.544-07:002010-08-23T08:21:37.544-07:00I support the creation of new mountain bike trails...I support the creation of new mountain bike trails in the ares near Boulder. We enjoy all kinds of outdoor activities around Boulder, but biking is in particular one activity that our whole family can do and enjoy. There will always be some tensions, but responsibly interactions between bikes and other uses is typically the norm.<br /><br />Adam Fedor<br />3765 Britting Ave<br />South NeighboorhoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-73437164445939258802010-08-23T03:04:27.366-07:002010-08-23T03:04:27.366-07:00I support the creation of a MTB trail from at leas...I support the creation of a MTB trail from at least Table Mesa to Eldorado. I think an entire entirely new trail that is open to all users, but with an emphasis for MTBs would work best. The exception being perhaps some sections of existing trails that are also fire/emergency access roads and can accomodate both users. The emphasis on MTBs should disuade hikers from using this trail and avoid complaints given the fair warning. I think a few more MTB trails that allow for connecting loops via off-road trails or hardscape bike paths would also have some beneficial economic benefits to the community with people from nearby communities driving short distances to Boulder and reducing larger scale environmental impact from people in Boulder driving significant distances out of Boulder to bike.<br /><br />Steve Dundorf<br />1037 Berea. Dr.<br />South NeighborhoodAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-55945458552972145382010-08-20T15:20:40.614-07:002010-08-20T15:20:40.614-07:00I strongly support the creation of a mountain bike...I strongly support the creation of a mountain bike trail connecting Boulder with the Eldorado Springs area. Because of the high pedestrian traffic on the Mesa trail, I don't think that it makes sense to open that to mountain bikes. From Shanahan Ridge to Eldorado Springs though I think that a mountain bike accessible trail could be created which uses parts of the Big Bluestem trail and another unofficial trail through the area.<br /><br />I would also like to see a new mountain bike trail from Shanahan Ridge north to Chatacqua, but would rate that as lower priority given the greater difficulty in locating that section of the trail.<br /><br />Joe Esch<br />South Neighborhood<br />2970 Juilliard St.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-65554246658634061942010-08-19T15:21:20.021-07:002010-08-19T15:21:20.021-07:00As a resident of 13th street south of Baseline, I ...As a resident of 13th street south of Baseline, I resent the stance of a FEW of the individuals in the West of Broadway area saying they represent the "majority of opinion" in my neighborhood at city meetings and in letters to both city officials and the local paper. They certainly do not represent the four square blocks surrounding my home, where EVERY household supports allowing mountain bikes on local trails. In fact, we - and I DO speak for the majority in my immediate neighborhood, want to see mountain bike ONLY trails included in any future improvements for the Boulder Open Space and Parks, particularly in the Chautauqua area. Hikers and equestrians have their trails. Either they learn to share, or they allow us to enjoy the open space trails that I used to enjoy back in the late 70s when I could legally ride on trails like the Mesa Trail. Barring mountain bike only trails, I would like to see several days of the week where mountain bike access is allowed, weekends could be off limits due to heavy use. I hike often on weekdays and many trails near my home are under utilized (read "empty") during those days. Use by bikers should be allowed. Thank you for considering my comments, and for supporting the extension of rights to mountain bikers and to all trail users.tom winterhttp://www.tomwintermedia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-49843409132087795812010-08-19T14:49:10.974-07:002010-08-19T14:49:10.974-07:00We are avid cyclists and would love the opportunit...We are avid cyclists and would love the opportunity to mountain bike closer to our home. It is a shame to put our bikes on our car and drive up to Walker or Hall Ranch (though we love those trails). We live in such a beautiful place and it would benefit us all to have sustainable, respectful trail use for cyclists right here in our gorgeous back yard. <br /><br />Ashley Shires<br />2854 11th St<br />Boulder, CO 80304Ashley Shiresnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-69662935986169286432010-08-18T17:48:57.279-07:002010-08-18T17:48:57.279-07:003235 5th St, North Neighborhood - Gordon Byrn
I w...3235 5th St, North Neighborhood - Gordon Byrn<br /><br />I would welcome the increase in trails throughout the city, specifically a safe way from North through to both Walker Ranch and Betasso.<br /><br />My preference is multi-use trails that are open to the entire outdoor community of users.<br /><br />gGordon Byrnhttp://www.endurancecorner.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-64008053334509698502010-08-18T16:50:14.957-07:002010-08-18T16:50:14.957-07:003455 Table Mesa Drive D-138, Central Neighborhood
...3455 Table Mesa Drive D-138, Central Neighborhood<br /><br />As an avid mountain biker who recently moved back to Boulder from Breckenridge, I miss the opportunity to ride right out of the house on dirt. Dedicated bike trials would alleviate any conflicts and have minimal impact on the open space (hopefully only a foot or two).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-29672719183815656172010-08-18T14:55:48.064-07:002010-08-18T14:55:48.064-07:00I fully support adding more access to mt. biking t...I fully support adding more access to mt. biking to this town...most outdoor friendly towns have this option. Why can't we figure it out?<br /><br />My spouse and a friend have been pressed by some of the opposing faction to agree with them on this issue; people living at the edge of open space. Their opposition does not ring authentic. Rather than make decisions from a place of fear of what might happen (and often stated as "only a few" riders will be testosterone infused speedsters) let's consider proactive ways to address the worries. Change requires getting past one's fears.<br /> Pam Rantilla<br /> South Neighborhood<br /> 1340 Fairfield Dr.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3686320968720142090.post-34729399858949760832010-08-18T13:51:14.065-07:002010-08-18T13:51:14.065-07:00Steve C. 4406 Greenbriar Blvd.
South Neighborhood...Steve C. 4406 Greenbriar Blvd. <br />South Neighborhood<br /><br />Please provide a biking and hiking trail that connects south boulder with Walker Ranch. <br /><br />Thanks for all the new trails in this area! They eliminate many car miles and reduce crowding on the trails.<br /><br />ps: I welcome and respect fellow bikers, hikers, trail runners, dogs, and horses.trider21https://www.blogger.com/profile/13754282214141548647noreply@blogger.com